From Rome to Norway: What History Teaches Us About Post-Labor Wealth Models

As we edge closer to a post-labor economy fueled by AI and automation, the conversation around how to distribute wealth fairly is more urgent than ever. Advocates of dividend-driven futures, like David Shapiro and others, propose income portfolios built from public wealth funds, UBI, cooperatives, and residual wages. But are there any historical models to guide us? Have civilizations ever successfully structured systems where wealth flowed to the public without direct labor?

It turns out, yes. And the lessons are mixed.


The Roman Bread Dole: Subsidy Without Structure

Ancient Rome’s grain dole (“annona”) offered a form of basic sustenance to citizens, distributing heavily subsidized or free grain. At its peak, hundreds of thousands of Romans received this support. It was politically stabilizing, popular, and arguably necessary as economic power consolidated into the elite.

But the system was fragile. It depended on imperial conquests, slave labor, and an expansive logistics network that became unsustainable as Rome declined. It also did little to build durable economic agency. The dole kept people fed, but not empowered.

Lesson: Subsidy without economic diversification or civic agency becomes brittle.


Native Tribes and Casino Revenues: Promise and Pitfalls

In the U.S., many Native American tribes operate casinos, with profits funding health care, education, and direct dividends to tribal members. These tribal wealth funds resemble the localized wealth mechanisms proposed in post-labor economics.

However, outcomes vary widely. In some communities, casino revenues have elevated living standards and strengthened governance. In others, benefits have concentrated in tribal leadership, exacerbating inequality and dependency.

Lesson: Without transparency, inclusive governance, and diversified investment, even well-intentioned redistribution can fall short.


The Alaska Permanent Fund: A Modern Dividend Model

Established in 1976, Alaska’s Permanent Fund takes oil revenues and invests them globally. Each year, residents receive a dividend, usually between $1,000-$2,000. It’s simple, durable, and popular.

Yet, it faces political risk. When Alaska hit budget shortfalls, politicians dipped into the fund. There are debates about whether it discourages work or disincentivizes participation in broader civic life.

Lesson: Popular dividend programs are sustainable, but vulnerable to political raids and lack of reinvestment discipline.


Norway’s Oil Fund: The Gold Standard of Public Wealth

Norway’s Government Pension Fund Global, often dubbed the Norwegian Oil Fund, is the largest sovereign wealth fund in the world. Fueled by oil profits, it now exceeds $1.5 trillion and invests in over 9,000 companies across more than 70 countries.

Unlike Alaska, Norway does not send direct cash to citizens. Instead, the fund returns go into the national budget, funding universal services such as education, health care, and pensions. Crucially, the fund adheres to strict ethical guidelines, has world-class transparency, and maintains a 3% spending rule to preserve capital.

Lesson: Long-term sustainability requires diversification, professional governance, limited spending, and a focus on services that boost collective agency.


Designing for the Post-Labor Era: What Must Be Done

The future calls for a blend of these lessons. Post-labor economic resilience depends on:

  • Diversification: Don’t over-rely on a single industry or location (Rome, casinos).
  • Transparency & Governance: Avoid elite capture (tribal pitfalls).
  • Capital Preservation: Limit annual drawdowns to preserve intergenerational equity (Norway).
  • Layered Income Models: Combine UBI, local trusts, cooperatives, and personal assets for resilience.

The past offers both warning signs and inspiration. If we take the best from each model—Rome’s stabilizing intent, tribal localization, Alaska’s dividends, and Norway’s professionalism—we might just build a post-labor economy worth living in.

Tesla – Next Opportunities 2025 and 2026

I am a big believer in the future of Tesla as a business and the positive impacts they will have on the world.I wanted to put together a quick reference for the catalysts I see coming in the next 2 years that I can quickly share with people. 

These are ordered from first to happen to furthest away. 

Tesla Model Y Juniper Update

New Cheaper Tesla car/vehicles for sale – H1 2025

China megapack factory 

Semi production next year

FSD release in China imminent

Robotaxi service – start in Texas and California next year

Optimus bot

Tesla Model Y Juniper Update – This is a styling and hardware update for the best selling car in the world in 2023, the Tesla Model Y SUV. It wasn’t quite the best selling in 2024, likely due to people waiting for the 2025 update. This update should lead to best selling status of this car again and help total production of 2.3 million vehicles in 2024. 

New Cheaper Tesla car/vehicles for sale – H1 2025 – Elon has mentioned veiled comments related to cheaper vehicles in H1 2025. These will be able to be built on the same lines as Model 3 and Y. This should help total production of 2.3 million vehicles in 2024. 

Tesla model Q?

China megapack factory – The Megapack is a “grid scale” battery storage solution for energy. These are sold often in sits of 200-500 at at time. They cost around $1 million per megapack. The current factory is in the USA, for the USA and rest of world. The China Megapack factory should be in production in H1 2025 and fully ramped by end 2025. These are extremely profitable products. 

Megapack factory 60% complete – sept 2024

Semi production next year – Tesla has been testing the Tesla Semi for a while with Pepsi and other companies. The Tesla semi will be much cheaper to operate and more reliable (fewer parts) than a diesel semi. I fully expect electric semi’s to almost completely replace all semi’s in 10 years. The average semi is 7 years old. That means every 7 years most of the semi fleet is fully replaced. Of course there are some older vehicles that remain. Since electric semi’s will be cheaper to operate and trucking is a business large businesses will drive adoption of this more efficient technology, or they will go out of of business and be replaced by companies that do.
Tesla semi has driven 250,000 miles 

Tesla Semi partner PepsiCo says electric truck helps with driver retention

Tesla semi factory videos 

FSD release in China imminent – Up until now, FSD (Full Self Driving) A $8,000 option, or $100/month subscription, has only been available in the USA. Tesla is likely to get approval to start using and selling in EU and China in 2025. This will open up for millions of drivers to pay for that software. 

Robotaxi – start in Texas and California 2025 – Tesla has had good progress on its FSD (Full Self Driving) software in the last year. They are planning to start offering a Robotaxi service, using Tesla 3’s and Y’s in California and Texas in 2025. 

Tesla Eyes 2025 Robotaxi Launch in California and Texas

Tesla robotaxis are coming in 2025 with an unexpected addition

Optimus bot – Tesla has been working on the Optimus, humanoid Robot, for a few years now. The latest versions are very compelling, being able to walk down a steep slippery slope and catch a thrown ball. These will be offered to do simple work in factories. They don’t need to do 100% of the work people can do. There is a curve of simple tasks they can start on and slowly develop skills and do more and more. Even if they cost $50k a year, they will be cheaper than a fully burdened factory worker who after factoring in health care, sick time, etc costs a company more than $50k a year, even if they are only paid $30k /year. Tesla could likely lease these for “only” $25k/year and even replace half a person. 

Tesla’s Optimus can now walk autonomously on rough terrain

Tesla Optimus Robot Catching a Ball

World Wage and Work

I have been reading and thinking about money, economics, wages,fair wages, trade imbalances and business stuff for years. This is a list of links and some books that I have found interesting related to the topic. I don’t have a take away conclusion from this reading yet. 

“It is utterly clear to me that the highest priority  need of world society at the present moment is a realistic economic accounting system which will rectify, for instance, such nonsense as the fact that a top toolmaker in India, the highest paid of all craftsman, gets only as much per month for his work in India as he could earn per day for the same work if he were employed in Detroit, Michigan.  – Page 112 Operating Manual For Spaceship Earth, Buckminster Fuller

 I am sharing a few articles I’ve read the last years about various impacts of higher wages in different parts of the world. I still don’t have a big conclusion from this.

As jobs are exported slowly the world wide wage should rise, but likely America’s will fall, which is fine. 

I do share the concern that some businesses “can’t afford to pay people $15/hr” but if that is the case should they be businesses?

I mentioned that there are a lot of things that challenge starting businesses (wages/paying SS, and medicare/insurance).

I have been a big proponent that nationwide healthcare will allow smaller businesses to be more competitive with larger businesses because they should only have to compete on wages, not healthcare. This same idea came from Andrew Yang. His book “The War on Normal People” is very good, for many ideas, not just UBI.

 I like the below articles for worldwide perspectives on income and economics.

Australia = $15/hr. Less for 16-18 year olds.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/08/the-magical-world-where-mcdonalds-pays-15-an-hour-its-australia/278313/

The country allows lower pay for teenagers, and the labor deal McDonald’s struck with its employees currently pays 16-year-olds roughly US$8 an hour, not altogether different from what they’d make in the states. In an email, Greg Bamber, a professor at Australia’s Monash University who has studied labor relations in the country’s fast food industry, told me that as a result, McDonald’s relies heavily on young workers in Australia.

Jobs moved to Mexico. Seems to have worked out well for the new employees in Mexico. Seems to have “busted” the people who lost jobs in USA,

https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/gen-politics/what-happened-when-factory-jobs-moved-from-ohio-mexico/kntmqdH7H95KQBhwBHgixN/

https://jalopnik.com/gm-factory-workers-in-mexico-make-3-an-hour-and-want-a-1848855358

The reason many jobs are moved to Mexico is because the labor rates are so much cheaper there. 

Janevsille: An American Story – Book about what happened when GM plant left Janesville, WI.

These are some of the jobs that moved to mexico from the Janesville book above. 

 Haiti $5 day? – Very interesting discussing moving production based on wages.

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2011/06/10/137064161/would-a-5-a-day-minimum-wage-make-life-better-in-haiti

Now, of course, to an American audience this seems so minor, so unbelievably reasonable, it’s hard to see how there can be any opposition: Five bucks a day? As a minimum? It’s easy to be outraged that the U.S. government wouldn’t push for a minimum of more. Who can live on five bucks a day?

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2011/06/10/137064161/would-a-5-a-day-minimum-wage-make-life-better-in-haiti

Haiti’s industry is focused on commodity white T-shirts for brands like Hanes. The commodity white T-shirt is one of the cheapest, easiest things in the world to make. With $500,000 you could buy a bunch of used sewing machines in Alabama or Guangzhou, rent a cement shell in some poor country, and be in business in a few weeks.

In short, Dominican textile workers have real bargaining power because they have real, globally competitive skills. I’m sure manufacturers would love to pay them $3 a day, but they can’t because the Dominicans know how to do stuff that commands a higher wage.

I have no idea what would happen if Haiti did have a $5-a-day minimum wage. But I do think it’s reasonable to assume that some factories would close and far fewer new ones would be built. Far fewer Haitians would be allowed to take that first tentative step on to the ladder of industrial development.

https://qz.com/1064679/a-new-t-shirt-sewing-robot-can-make-as-many-shirts-per-hour-as-17-factory-workers/

It looks like LOWRY sewing robot has been made into a company.

ABOUT SOFTWEAR AUTOMATION

We are an Atlanta-based advanced machine-vision and robotics startup disrupting the $1.5 trillion apparel industry. Our fully automated Sewbots enable on-demand manufacturing by moving supply chains local and closer to the customer, while creating higher quality products at comparable cost to imports from low-wage countries.

This is the future of everything. Automate as much as possible, for mass production. It is how the past has always gone and it’s the way of the future. More things will be automated. Automated things will be cheaper, or they wouldn’t be automated! Cheaper things means people can actually buy more things! Think of TV’s. In 1990 a 20” tv was relatively expensive and maybe a family had 1. Now it’s cheaper to have 3 55” tv’s. 

LA garment worker pay- Many garment workers in the USA are here illegally. The employers should be held responsible for hiring illegal immigrants. They are also taking advantage of these people. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/la-garment-factories-investigation/

A 2016 U.S. Department of Labor investigation found pay violations in 85% of the L.A. garment shops it looked into. – How do these places stay in business? If they are investigated and found to be violating the US DOL how do they stay in business????

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/10/haitian-dominican-republic-sugarcane-immigration-poverty-rights

Vernette speaks in Haitian Creole, as he has trouble communicating in Spanish.

He arrived in the Dominican Republic “under the fence,” or irregularly, about a year ago.- It appears that illegal immigration is a problem worldwide, and they are treated poorly everywhere.

Can I buy a Tesla in Iowa? – No

Iowa has a Republican governor who claims (like all Republicans) to be pro business. We also have a strong clean energy economy both through our adoption of ethanol as well as windmills for electricity. Because of all these things it is egregious that the best selling electric car in the world is not able to be purchased in Iowa. Tesla cars are unable to be purchased in Iowa due to a law related to dealership franchises, which Tesla does not have.
No one likes going to dealers. They are awful to deal with. They jerk you around on vehicle sale price. They try to talk you into buying something more than you need or can afford. I can’t say I have ever met someone who is genuinely excited about going to a car dealer.
Alternatively, Tesla, which makes the most efficient and best selling EV’s in the world, and which are made in the USA, are unable to be purchased in Iowa, the state with the highest amount of green wind energy per capita.
Tesla vehicle pricing is also clear on their website. Everyone pays the same for a Tesla. 

I have personally written multiple of my state representatives and senators to try to get them to make a move on this to remove this law from the books.
Here was my interaction with the state representative (I will tell you which one if you ask me directly). 

Dear Rep.

Iowa is a state that has approximately 40% of it’s energy supplied by windmills. We say we are a green state. But residents are unable to purchase a Tesla, the best selling electric car ever, in our state. This is due to archaic laws and crony capitalism. I urge you to help change these laws. – Axel Hoogland

Reply – 

Dear Axel Hoogland,

Thank you for your email.  I had no idea it was such a problem to buy a Tesla in Iowa. I spoke with another legislator who owns a Tesla and she said it was because of franchisees code. You are able to buy a Tesla in Iowa but it remains difficult to pick one up anywhere nearby. Unfortunately there is not a coalition nor political will to move language forward. I will watch this…it doesn’t seem to be fair nor help us reach our sustainability goals. Please email me anytime.

Yours, Rep.

This is representative of every email I have sent to a politician, regardless of the policy I am addressing. Admitting that it is bad, backpedaling that “there is no will to do anything about it.”


That is why I am sharing my views with the internet. I would ask anyone who thinks that you should be able to buy a Tesla in Iowa to just send your state representative or state senator a short email. You could even copy mine.  (below) 

Here is where you can find the list of Iowa State Representatives. Email any one of them, or all of them!  https://www.legis.iowa.gov/legislators/house

Dear Rep.

Iowa is a state that has approximately 40% of it’s energy supplied by windmills. We say we are a green state. But residents are unable to purchase a Tesla, the best selling electric car ever, in our state. This is due to archaic laws and crony capitalism. I urge you to help change these laws. – Your Name

It seems like a very simple law to erase. The only people who it seems to benefit are the car dealerships, not individuals. So why won’t state politicians change this law?

There was even an 80 pager report in 2016 from the Iowa Economic Development Authority titled “Advancing Iowa’s Electric Vehicle Market” which specifically mentioned the issue that Tesla’s are unable to be sold in Iowa. If they truly wanted to “Advance the Electric Vehicle Market” in Iowa the easiest and best thing they could do would be to allow the cars to be sold here.That report can be found here.

https://www.iowaeconomicdevelopment.com/userdocs/programs/AdvancingIowasElectricVehicleMarketReport.pdf

Page 55 (pdf page 62) shared the information about Tesla/dealership laws in Iowa.

Like all progress that is inevitable, sometime in the next 10 years it is very likely that Iowa citizens will be able to purchase a Tesla in the state of Iowa. I am giving state politicians an easy win here by asking them to overturn an arcane law that is hurting a progressive American Business and hurting Iowans, making them drive out of state to make a large purchase.